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A low-lying placenta after 20 weeks (placenta praevia) - patient information from the Royal College of Obstetricians
and Placenta Praevia Accreta: Diagnosis and Management
27) - Clinical Green-top guideline from the Royal College of
The Saari Kempaainen study revealed that 150 women were diagnosed as having placenta praevia; when they got to term only 4 women actually had it. In the control arm the women who were not exposed to ultrasound also had 4 women whose placenta praevias were discovered when they went into labour. Both sets of women had caesarean sections and there was no difference in outcomes. The researchers did not investigate the amount of stress a diagnosis of placenta praevia could have caused in the 146 misdiagnosed women. This research shows that early diagnosis of placenta praevia is irrelevant and a complete waste of time, yet doctors and midwives persist in telling women they have low lying placentas.
of placental location at 20-23 gestational weeks for prediction
of placenta previa at delivery: evaluation of 8650 cases.
Becker RH, Vonk R, Mende BC, Ragosch V, Entezami M
Ultrasound Obstet Gynecol 2001 Jun;17(6):496-501
"CONCLUSION: At 20-23 weeks, a combination of routine transabdominal and indication-based transvaginal location of placental position is a powerful tool in predicting placenta previa at delivery. The advantage of determining placental position at this stage of pregnancy is a low false-positive rate compared to at earlier stages of pregnancy. We conclude that an overlapping placenta at 20-23 weeks has the consequence of a high probability of placenta previa at delivery. An overlap of 25 mm or more at 20-23 weeks seems to be incompatible with later vaginal delivery. "
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from Danny Tucker's pages
My pet peeve are the ultrasound reports. Why do the sonographers
on reporting 'marginal previas' at 15 week ultrasounds? I have
ultrasounds later in pregnancy for other reasons and the report
that the previa "resolved". I had an old but well-respected OB
when I was a student that the placenta actually had 'fingers' and
'crawl up the uterine wall' to its appropriate place.
They report it that way for medical-legal reasons. The guidelines
that in the 2nd trimester one must comment on the location of the
If one does not and there is a previa later, they are guilty of
the standard of care for an ultrasound.
I keep trying to teach the residents that placentas do not move,
are attached to the uterus. If it "resolves" at 37 weeks or at 15
or at any other time, then it never really was. It only looked
was. The problem is that until the head gets down into the lower
the uterus, the placenta which is a big bag of blood(fluid) can
of ooze down there around the cervix and look like a PP. In case
noticed, this is one of my soapboxes. It gets me to respond every
The residents say "Oh no, here he comes again."
I take issue with the statements "teach residents that placentas do not move, they are attached to the uterus.". and "resolves at 37 weeks or at 15 weeks or at any other time, then it never really was. It only looked like it was." (See below).
Yes, the placenta is attached, but I have seen serial studies in
the positions were quite different,.... they changed. As have many
folks, that is why the phrase "Placenta Migration" came into being
sonography was developed. But the placenta is not crawling with
Dr. Harris Fineberg elegantly explained this phenomenon, as
The tendency to grow toward better nutrition and away from poorer
states. Look it up in a medical dictionary. Or see the discussion
OBGYN.net Forums below (we've been through this before, search
for placenta+previa). Or better yet, buy my book, DuBose TJ, FETAL
W. B. Saunders Co. 1996 and read pages 358-362. ;-)
I agree that the main reason for the constant comment is medical-legal. Also, if the placenta has a portion, which is slightly across the internal os demonstrated by sonography, then that is how it must be called at that time. Even though we all realize that later it will probably be higher up.
One last thing. The report (Dx) is usually issued by a Sonologist
The sonogram is often done by, and a Sonographer's Impression (but
isn't a Dx) may be given by a Sonographer, RDMS, to an M.D. who
the Dx. This medical-legal stuff does drive me crazy too, but it
and we must deal with it as long as the lawyers are about.
You heard the placenta? Please explain. What, exactly, in
placenta makes a distinct noise you can hear with a Doppler?
I always go "placenta hunting" with my Doppler at around 35
placenta makes a very different sound than the heart or even the
There is a very distinct "swoosh" sound with the placenta. If I
find the placenta at all, I usually assume that it is just too
to locate via Doppler. One good way to practice getting the sound
down, is by simply placing your Doppler at the top of the fundus
of your mommies at around 35 weeks. Since so many placentas are at
top of the fundus, you will have a chance to experience that
when it is low lying, or in some other strange place, you will know
that sound. :-)
It is also easy to hear with the fetoscope. Sometimes when the HT
not loud enough for the mom to hear she can still hear the
I just can't see how the Doppler, which is only responding to blood flow velocity, can sound different if the blood vessels it's "seeing" happen to be in a placenta.
Have you verified this by marking where you "hear" the placenta,
having ultrasound done to confirm it? Has anybody done such a
this phenomenon is true, it should be easy to demonstrate it.
I don't know if any studies have ever been done on this, and I
never sent a woman for ultrasound for the sole purpose of
the placenta is where I think it is. But on that rare occasion
when I have
had to send a woman for an ultrasound, I always double check
go with the mom for her US) the location of the placenta. It helps
determine if I am accurate most of the time. Which... I am usually
accurate. Has anyone else also had this experience?
I have done this many times. I don't routinely placenta hunt, but
often suspected an anterior placenta. I'm sure many of us have had
experience, the mum is complaining of lack of fetal movements even
weeks, even if multip, and placental sounds are heard anteriorly,
getting a FH difficult, even with a dop. You often have to listen
very low or from fundus down. In the last couple of years, I or
I was working with had occasion to have u/s done on some of these
for other reasons, and we always marked the reports, that we had
the anterior placenta. I don't think we had any that we thought
that were not.
I was taught this too, and have always noted it on my charts just in case we needed a u/s during the pregnancy. On occasion a subsequent u/s agreed with this; but not often!
I chart it as "Loud vessels heard upper right quadrant etc." and I think that's what they are.
We can't tell by looking at the placenta after birth whether our
about location was right (Unless the membranes are in good shape
we can only confirm whether the placenta was high or low, but NOT
right, anterior, left etc.).
I've had my Doppler assessments of placental location verified by U.S. One thing I look for in addition to the placental souffle is a cord insertion. I make a note in pencil on my chart so when I get the US report I can verify my assessment then erase!. It's one of those things you want to be able to erase, as the medical community thinks you're nuts to think you can locate the placenta w/o us.
When I got one of my Medisonics Dopplers, from Cascade, it came
a bunch of printed info on use of the Doppler. It had a study
on locating the placenta with the dop., and instructions. I found
be of mild interest, so I didn't exactly memorize it. But I do
that it gave specific instructions for locating a posterior
the dop. Posteriors are harder to pin down.
I use an Allen fetoscope and have heard the difference between
and placenta, when listening it covers a larger area than when
a cord or the baby's heart as well as swooshing differently ; )
Low lying placentas can present some difficulty because of
I also find these are the heart tones most difficult to hear with
We determine the approximate location of implantation after the
If the hole in the membranes is close to the edge of the placenta,
confirms it :-)
Yep -- I always look for the hole to confirm my suspicions -- It
very interesting to see after the people last summer who
the vasa previa. (Long story, if you have subscribed recently)
not the case, but U/S also showed very low lying placenta. Hole
ON placental lobe. I have seen that a few other times, but of
didn't know to worry until after the fact! I've been listening to
since I was an apprentice -- one of the first things I was taught.
it's easier to hear a placenta with fetoscope, but is possible
-- I've heard cord right above pubic bone, several times, too,
-- meaning probable cord around the neck. (I even palpated that
use Doppler to confirm position, all the time. Can figure out OP
etc., by finding the actual heart. I love using the Doppler in
and it makes me feel less guilty about using the Doppler instead
You Betchya! You can hear a difference between cord, placenta and fetal heart. Do a simple demonstration project with your office Doppler and then confirm with your ultrasound machine...better yet have the u/s report in hand UNREAD and then listen and see if you can hear the difference. If you get good at Dopplers (Dopplers are for wimps) get out your fetoscope and see if you can distinguish placental souffle (spelling?).
Here is your chance to publish a very straight forward study that
decrease the "need" for ultrasounds and save insurance companies
Here's something else you can hear w/ a Doppler...fetal breathing
Taught to me by an OB (high-risk fetal-maternal medicine type)
that I did
a placement with. Hard to describe, but very distinctive, once
it. Reassuring during those last weeks of pregnancy, as that's one
signs of fetal well-being.
oh, PLEASE try to describe it! -- that would be an excellent
learn, reassuring for those questionable babies -- especially for
who won't get U/S.
Well, here goes. It sounds like a subtle, rhythmic "whoosh", very soft, and much softer than the placental or uterine souffle, also usually much slower, as well. The sound is caused by an increase in vascular resistance with the breathing movement, or so I was told. If you're lucky, with a skinny mom, you can also see it at the same time. This is not the same as hiccups, which usually sound quite loud w/ the Doppler, and the movement much more jerky and distinct.
I've noticed it a number of times since I was taught about it.
problem w/ using it intentionally is around the periodicity of
which occurs in about 90 min cycles. You could wait a long time at
before you heard it.
Blood flow through the intervillous space has a sound like wind
through the trees. (Frequently Aspens) However so does blood
veins. This could possibly lead to a correct diagnosis of a
location in some cases, but I doubt that it would work with
enough accuracy to replace ultrasound. I know of no studies. The
reflects expert (I hope) opinion based on a few facts and a lot of
in migration of placenta according to the location and type of
Cho JY, Lee YH, Moon MH, Lee JH.
J Clin Ultrasound. 2008 Feb;36(2):79-84.
RESULTS: The incidence of migration in the group of anterior placentas was significantly higher than that in the group of posterior placentas. The mean migration rate in the anterior group was 2.6 mm/week, whereas that in the posterior group was 1.6 mm/week. The migration rate of incomplete PP was significantly higher than that of LLP. Incidence of cesarean section for nonmigrated PP was significantly higher in the posterior group. The incidences of premature delivery and vaginal spotting were also significantly higher in the posterior group.
CONCLUSION: Anterior PP and LLP may migrate more often and faster than posterior PP. Our results may be useful for planning of prenatal management and counseling patients with PP and LLP.
[from ob-gyn-l] I see the apparent migration as simply
growth of the uterus. no change
in implantation site, simply more area between the cervical margin
the placental edge. the decrease in previas seen on u/s at term
to a decrease in the proportion of uterine wall occupied by
term compared to the proportion at 16-20 weeks . and no i have no
evidence for this.
See also: Posterior
Often, an anterior placenta takes up some room in the front of the mom's belly that would otherwise be occupied by the baby's back. This can sometimes cause the baby to be somewhat posterior, although this tends to correct itself as the baby moves lower into the pelvis and the back moves down, beyond the placental location.
Sometimes, in an effort to correct this apparent posterior position, moms will spend a lot of time on hands and knees. This can be a problem with an anterior placenta in that then the baby's weight is right on top of the placenta, which can cause some cord compression, especially with big babies or low fluid levels. This can result in minor fetal distress or meconium.
So moms with anterior placentas who are doing hands and knees
want to limit the time to 2 or 3 minutes at a stretch.
Can anyone help provide information about the implications of an anterior placenta? I've searched my medical texts and the Web and found nothing other than the implications regarding placement of the needle for amniocentesis.
Are there any implications for fetal growth or labor and delivery?
I can imagine that an anterior placenta might predispose a baby to a posterior presentation, and possibly even to a breech presentation.
If the blood vessels are less dense in the anterior uterus, perhaps there could be implications for mild IUGR. But then one might expect reduced risk of postpartum hemorrhage.
I'm labor coaching for a client whose OB mentioned it with one of
"Well, this bumps you up into a higher level of risk" tone of
she was worried.
No problems, other than sometimes posterior,( baby curls around
or harder to hear FHTs because of loud souffle.
I'm kind of wondering why you're worried about it...I figure that
of women have anterior placentas. There has been a suggestion that
may somewhat predispose to posterior presentations, but the only
that I find is that women (particularly multigravid) may feel less
movement with them. I figure that this is because there is more
between the fetus and the outside world, as it were. In one
too long ago, I was sure the placenta was anterior, but the mother
worried about fetal movement. Sent her for U/S and guess what? I
Only thing I noticed was that the baby consistently laid on the
side of the uterus to the placenta. Everything else was completely
Wouldn't the only risk be during the ( waaaay outside) chance that she would need a c-sec? Because if the placenta is anterior making the incision would be dicey-they would have to deliver the placenta and the babe at the same time, and blood loss could be a concern.
I had a low lying anterior placenta with my 2nd pregnancy, and
challenge was hearing my son! Sometimes it took a good 10-15 mins.
clear heart tones. Maybe this is what the doc is concerned about?
seem that using a doptone would make that easier (my mw used a
Other than that everything.
I don't know of anything significant with anterior placenta
It just may make the FHR harder to pick up depending on the baby /
positions. The only other problem would be that if a cesarean
needed the OR team would have to be careful (and would hopefully
to determine placental placement prior to the incision).
Can be harder to palpate, to get clear FHT; mom may perceive less
There is some evidence that women with anterior placentas feel
later and also experience less fetal movement. I don't know how
has been done on it but it does make some logical sense.
I've definitely found this to be true in my practice. Moms need
of reassurance about late perception of fetal movement. I tell
the placenta acts as a pillow between the moving baby and their
muscles, which sense the baby's movement. The baby is still
the movement is "muffled" by the placenta.
The main thing is that if the mother has ever had a C-section or
that could scar the anterior endometrial area then she is at
for placenta accreta.
Having an anterior placenta can interfere
an external version to turn a breech baby at term, so if you
an anterior placenta, you might want to doublecheck with your
to make sure the baby is head down by 34 weeks and request an
version then, while the baby is small, rather than waiting until
the typical time.
Because the Cesarean scar is in the front of the uterus, i.e. the
an anterior placenta may be implanted directly over the uterine
Sometimes this causes the placenta to grow into or through the
wall so that it does not detach properly after the birth.
be a life threatening situation and is well outside the scope of
Surgery in the presence of Placenta accreta, increta and percreta [see item 6] from the Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists:
"Women who have had a caesarean section in a previous pregnancy and who have a placenta praevia subsequently should be considered at high risk of having a morbidly adherent placenta. In such cases particular attention should be focused to confirming or excluding this diagnosis using ultrasound imaging. When present, senior anaesthetic and obstetric input are vital in planning the delivery."
"The association between placenta praevia and placenta accreta is strong, with a relative risk of 2,065 compared to women with a normally sited placenta.30 This is also associated with scarring of the lower segment of the uterus, and the risk of placenta accreta in the presence of placenta praevia rises relative to the number of previous uterine incisions.30-32 Ultrasound imaging,33 colour doppler and power amplitude ultrasonic angiography34 and magnetic resonance imaging35 have all been shown to be valuable in the diagnosis of placenta accreta, increta and percreta."
placenta praevia and accreta after previous caesarean
You can search for placenta percreta at PubMed. There are some hints that ultrasound or MRI might be able to diagnose or rule out placental problems with a placenta that is located over the uterine scar.
of placenta percreta and placenta accreta.
Maldjian C, Adam R, Pelosi M, Pelosi M 3rd, Rudelli RD, Maldjian J.
Magn Reson Imaging 1999 Sep;17(7):965-71
"MRI is useful for identifying the presence and extent of
I came across the following in "The Accoucheur's Emergency Manual" by Yingling, first published in 1921 in India, at a time and place where cesareans were not readily available. I think most of us agree that a cesarean section is the preferred approach with placenta previa, but I also think it's important to have this tucked away in the back of your mind, just in case:
In placenta praevia I fully recommend the method or plan of Dr. H. N. Guernsey, which is "in puncturing the membranes through the placenta and evacuating the liquor amnii." "The finger must explore a sulcus between the cotyledons of the placenta, and with the same hand a female catheter, previously concealed in the palm, must be forced through the placenta and the membranes during a pain." "The liquor amnii must be drawn off slowly: and as surely as it thus flows, so surely will the haemorrhage cease. After the waters have pretty much escaped, the finger may take the place of the catheter, and aid in tearing the orifice larger, so that the presenting parts may descent." This method applies whether the placenta is central or only partially over the os uteri.
I like to save up these tricks and hope and pray we will never be in a situation to need them. Re -- old treatment for previa -- rupturing membranes was always the first trick -- it often allowed the presenting part to settle down and put some pressure on the bleeding areas, and might make labor proceed more rapidly. Tearing through he placenta might make the birth go faster too -- but in those cases the life of the baby was pretty much forfeit. They were just trying to get the kid out before the mom bled to death.
Thank goodness we live in a time and location where surgery is
for previas and other problems.
Actually, a midwife friend told me of assisting at a birth in a very rural area where there was an undiagnosed placenta previa. The mom was a multip and the birth was proceeding very quickly. They tore an opening in the placenta, and it must have moved around the baby's as the cervix dilated, and baby was born just fine. I'd hate to think of the stress level for everyone involved, but this kind of approach doesn't automatically mean that the baby would die.
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